Showing posts with label California polygraph complaint. Show all posts
Showing posts with label California polygraph complaint. Show all posts

Wednesday, December 22, 2021

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: client needed to know which of her old drugs she was back using; the examiner said that if she failed on question then she fails all questions

Client discovered that his wife had started using drugs again. He knew the supplier of each and wanted to shut down its access to her. He wanted her asked:
In the past month have you used any heroin?
In the last month have you used any meth?
In the last month have you used any cocaine?

Examiner told him "If she fails one then she automatically fails all; there is no way to determine which drug she used". This is an examiner who badmouths other examiners.

Client went to a better examiner. The drug used was easily spotted and then she confessed.

Monday, December 6, 2021

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner; charged $500 for test, told client she was being deceptive. Then she . . .

 Complaint about a California polygraph examiner

Examiner charged $500 for test. Told client she failed (deception indicated). Client said she hadn't lied on a single question. Examiner suggested she try again on another day (and pay hime again).

Client went to another examiner that had far more experience yet was less costly, and didn't mention the first test or examiner. Her husband was allowed to quietly monitor the testing.

She passed.

It was discovered why she had failed the first testing (examiner's fault), but that is not a topic for a public list.


Friday, July 23, 2021

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: implied he had 30 years experience, charged $500, tested her guy, said results were 'Can't tell if he was lying because his test was everywhere'; then it was learned he wasn't very experienced

 Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: implied he had 30 years experience when client was interviewing examiners, he charged $500, tested her guy, said his initial results were 'Can't tell if he was lying because his test was everywhere'; then it was learned he wasn't very experienced and such 'cant tell' results are a joke . . . . And when it was over, he told the client that some of the test 'issues' may be because examiner chose not to use the client's name in the questions (he actually called her 'wife' instead of  'girlfriend' in the questions) -- and Examiner suggested that she have husband tested by another examiner-- but gave no refund!


Examiner was chosen primarily due to his (greatly exaggerated) polygraph experience level. 

After getting the initial "Cant' tell if he was unfaithful" results, combined with proof client has of the infidelity, client learned: Examiner was a polygraph school student only about 4 1/2 years ago-- his '30 years' was as a deputy, NOT a polygraph examiner.

Besides grossly exaggerating his experience, examiner ruined the test results by not using the client's first name in the questions, yet no refund.

. . . and this wasn't the first time he has been caught for purposefully using trickery in his wording used for his greatly exaggerated experience-- another examiner has posted about the fake experience claim on his own website for the same city!

Friday, May 21, 2021

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged $600 to test client's husband, touting his 'police background'. Said two answers were found to be 'inconclusive', saying an equipment issue caused that worthless scoring.

 Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged $600 to test client's husband, touting his 'police background'. Said two answers were found to be 'inconclusive', saying an equipment issue caused that worthless scoring.

Past recent complaints about this examiner: Y

Examiner gender: M

Examiner suggested that the couple come back in the future.

Sunday, May 16, 2021

Complaints about a female examiner in California using multiple fake (completely different) personal names to avoid the bad reviews about her

 Complaints about a female examiner in California using multiple fake (completely different) personal names to avoid the bad reviews about her

Saturday, July 4, 2020

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: although the ads show a nice office building, the address was to an old house. Paid $350. Said inappropriate comments. He hooked up client to a blood pressure cuff and no other attachments. It was an old antique polygraph, no computer involved. No attachments were made to stomach, chest or fingers. Blood pressure cuff pumped so high it hurt badly from start. Said a licensed Private Investigator since 1980s. Said failed. Not true results, not a real polygraph test. Then client realized that this 'PI' or 'polygraph examiner' doesn't even have a website.

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: although the ads show a nice office building, the address was to an old house. Paid $350. Said inappropriate comments. He hooked up client to a blood pressure cuff and no other attachments. It was an old antique polygraph, no computer involved. No attachments were made to stomach, chest or fingers. Blood pressure cuff pumped so high it hurt badly from start. Said a licensed Private Investigator since 1980s. Said failed. Not true results, not a real polygraph test. Then client realized that this 'PI' or 'polygraph examiner' doesn't even have a website.

Recent past complaints about this examiner: Y

Examiner gender: M

Tuesday, June 30, 2020

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: Client arrived with the quoted $350, after looking around, Client told Examiner that he wasn't comfortable with what he saw (read why below) and that he was going to contact another examiner instead. Examiner tried to change client's mind, including badmouthing other examiners. Client went to a more experienced examiner, paid less, and got accurate results.

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: Client arrived with the quoted $350, after looking around, Client told Examiner that he wasn't comfortable with what he saw (read why below) and that he was going to contact another examiner instead. Examiner tried to change client's mind, including badmouthing other examiners. Client went to a more experienced examiner, paid less, and got accurate results.

Recent past complaints about this examiner: Y

Examiner gender: M

Client arrived with the questions and cash payment ready. After talking to examiner, it was felt to be 'not legit'. Client said it was a rent-by-the-hour office, not a polygraph office, so it was felt that the examiner must be a part-timer who doesn't do enough polygraph work per month to rent a regular office. Client told examiner that he was going to talk to other examiners before getting tested. Examiner, apparently already committed to rent the office for the hour, tried to dissuade Client from using examiner's competitors.

Same day, Client went to a more experienced examiner with a long-time professional polygraph office, paid less than the part-time examiner would have cost, and got professional results.

Friday, June 19, 2020

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner; yet after all her threats and after all was investigated, it simply was that client was hoping her husband would fail yet he didn't

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner; yet after all her threats and after the matter was investigated, it simply was that client was hoping her husband would fail yet he didn't

Recent past complaints about this examiner: N

Examiner gender: M

Husband suggested he take a polygraph test to show he was a faithful husband.

They arrived at examiner's office after having put much thought and time into the writing of questions they wanted to be used for testing. Note: the actual longest part of a Federal 3-part polygraph test is The Pre-Test, where the questions are developed-- correctly, they took all the time they wanted in writing them and fine-tuning them instead AT HOME.

Husband completed testing, was found to have easily passed.

The next day, wife contacted Examiner and said another examiner badmouthed their choice of Examiner, so she wanted her money back. Examiner offered peer review and other accommodation; wife talked about legal action and online complaints and more if her money wasn't returned.

Peer-review of the charts brought the same NDI opinion.

Nasty threats and texts continued, so a neutral examiner with no connection to this client or test became involved.

It was pointed out to Wife that:
-- if indeed a competitor examiner did bad-mouth Examiner, she needs to get that in writing with his signature. Neutral examiner has filed libel lawsuits against other examiners in the past, the profession learning from his willingness to 'go legal', so such a phony badmouthing to be put in writing would never happen (IF this badmouthing examiner actually exists)
-- chart review by others showed that all guidelines were followed
-- chart review by others has brought the same NDI (No Deception Indicated) scoring
-- her own husband was not tested elsewhere obtaining opposite results
-- her claiming that 4 questions maximum was unfair actually is Federal guidelines maximum
-- a re-test by a neutral examiner at no cost could be arranged
-- her own husband (who was tested) verifies that he was telling the truth
-- she admits there is no proof that Examiner's opinion was wrong
-- in a nutshell, all her anger is because she didn't get fail results
-- her being unhappy with the results does not make them wrong

Friday, June 12, 2020

Complaint about a polygraph referral service: Client paid a service on the east coast $150 to introduce her to a supposedly 'expert' examiner on the west coast. Client arrived, it was a rent-by-the-hour office, not the examiner's own office. Client paid $400 more directly to examiner who said client was deceptive, that Client (a woman) strongly disputes, about cheating during her 20-year marriage. Examiner's strong Eastern-Europe accent also added to the problem. Then OUCH, the small print revealed . . .

Complaint about a polygraph referral service: Client paid a service on the east coast $150 to introduce her to a supposedly 'expert' examiner on the west coast. Client arrived, it was a rent-by-the-hour office, not the examiner's own office. Client paid $400 more directly to examiner who said client was deceptive, that client (a woman) strongly disputes, about cheating during her 20-year marriage.  Examiner's Eastern-Europe accent had also added to the problem. Then OUCH, the small print revealed . . .

(No identifiers are listed here. If you recognize yourself here correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.US

Recent past complaints about this polygraph referral service: Y

Examiner gender: F

After what Client described as 'completely false results', research was done that revealed the danger of using such a blind-date type of referral service for a professional service. Further research revealed that this 'Examiner' herself only attended her first polygraph training in the last year!

But more research made the client angry.

On the multi-page polygraph referral website, if you go deep enough, it gives details about this new examiner who was referred this critical life-changing test. Shockingly, it revealed in writing:
"(Her) Total Number of (completed) Exams: Under 100" and "(She is a) Member since 2020 / under supervision of (the referral service owner), and "This member is a SUPERVISED examiner - all exams will be assisted by (the referral service owner).  Further checking of the polygraph referral website revealed that this 'service' is using this trainee in many cities/counties outside of the county she lives in as their multi-county 'certified examiner referral' using other rent-by-the-hour office addresses.

Her strong accent was an even bigger problem due to her use of needlessly complicated question wording such as "Since you've been married to ___ have you touched another person's genitals for sexual gratification other than your husband?'.

Client claims that this 'supervisor' was not present. Client wants a refund of the useless $150 'match-making' fee and a refund of the $400 and feels they were ripped-off.

Monday, June 8, 2020

(another) Complaint about a new California polygraph examiner: he charged her card $175 to test herself, said she failed including some 'inconclusive', offered to retest her for $200 cash, she failed again. She says she shouldn't have failed any, and the examiner told her a story about getting into a fight with another recent client (this fight previously listed as a complaint here). And still no written reports.

(another) Complaint about a new California polygraph examiner: he charged her card $175 to test herself, said she failed including some 'inconclusive', offered to retest her for $200 cash, she failed again. She says she shouldn't have failed any, and the examiner told her a story about getting into a fight with another recent client (this fight listed previously as a complaint here). And still no written reports.

(No identifiers are listed here. If you recognize yourself here, correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners of America, peoa.US

Recent past complaints: YES

Examiner gender: M

Per client: She wanted to remove doubts her husband had regarding other men. Unknowingly, she chose a newly-graduated polygraph school with a new polygraph business. She said she felt something was amiss when she saw a mostly empty office. Then

Friday, May 8, 2020

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged about $300 to test a young woman who wanted to prove to her boyfriend she hadn't cheated; his results and methods are questioned

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged about $300 to test a young woman who wanted to prove to her boyfriend she hadn't cheated; his results and methods are questioned

(No identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.us )

Recent past complaints: YES
Examiner gender: M

Per Client:
Examiner is an older man who came in to test her. He said that because she 'did bad on one question, it skews the entire test' and failed her.

He did not provide the promised report.

Client later went to a more experienced examiner and passed her test.

Wording is very important for polygraph testing. Client advised that other examiners told her that the first examiner's choice of C questions (one was 'Are you a moral person?') were improper, too weak, and/or were of wording not recommended in the last 25 years.

Also to say that failing one question negatively affects the remainder of the test, that too was told to be untrue. There are methods to follow to prevent such a statement to be true.

UPDATE: As client knew the first examiner's results were worthless the very second he said them, combined with the fact that she then passed a polygraph test administered by a more experienced examiner, Client asked the first examiner for a refund. Examiner (in his 70s) refused, asking her if the second examiner 'was extra nice to you because you were pretty'.

Saturday, March 7, 2020

Complaint about a new California polygraph examiner: he charged $250 for a Friday night infidelity testing; when he wouldn't let client quietly observe the testing and got caught lying about the reason, client lost faith in him and did not want testing. Client says examiner refused to give the $250 back and threatened to beat up Client

Complaint about a new California polygraph examiner: he charged $250 for a Friday night infidelity testing; when he wouldn't let client quietly observe the testing and got caught lying about the reason, client lost faith in him and did not want testing. Client says examiner refused to give the $250 back and threatened to beat up Client

(No identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.us )

Recent past complaints: NO
Examiner gender: M


Per Client:
Examiner is a newly-graduated polygraph school student with a new polygraph business. He told a man it would be $250 to test that man's wife same night. Examiner told Client that it was 'against the law' to allow any monitoring of the test. Client called other examiners, was told there is no such law but explained why that new examiner might prefer to not allow monitoring. Client, unhappy that he was lied to about a non-existent law, asked Examiner about it. Examiner said "It's MY law' and told Client what would happen if Client came back to office. Client said do not do the test, refund me; Examiner said no refund.

Wednesday, January 8, 2020

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged $400 and gave useless results of 'No Opinion'. Then said he had to leave without doing another chart because he said he was a police officer and had to get to work; research showed different information than that . . .

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged $400 and gave useless results of 'No Opinion'. Then said he had to leave without doing another chart because he said he was a police officer and had to get to work; research showed different information than that . . .

(No public identifiers are listed here. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, please correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.US )

Recent past complaints: N
Examiner gender: M

Details as per Complainant:

Client, a young woman, has a husband who has been incarcerated for 5 years. He got 'the feeling' that his wife might have contact with other guy(s) in his prison, so she offered to take a polygraph test.

She went to the test with her mother-in-law. When done, Examiner reportedly said that (instead of issuing a 'Pass' or a 'Fail') he was issuing the score of 'No Opinion' specifically because her "breathing was shallow".

As Client claimed to have never had ANY contact with any other inmate, she was in disbelief that she didn't easily 'Pass'. She said that he said he couldn't administer another chart because he said he was a police officer and had to get to work. She and her mother-in-law left very upset.

As the examiner's polygraph website told that Examiner was a RETIRED officer from a small municipal police department, they now felt double-lied to. Further research revealed that Examiner has other social media format that says he is a polygraph examiner at a different law enforcement agency.

Client and mother-in-law went to another polygraph examiner, one that was not 'rushed' and had far more experience than the 'No Opinion' examiner. They did NOT tell this Examiner about the prior  test. Client easily scored No Deception Indicated (a 'Pass') on multiple charts. Then, as a 4-page report was was being written, the details of the bad testing was shared.


Note: breathing sensitivity is easily adjustable on a modern computerized instrument. As some shirt material or layers of clothing can dampen breathing reactions and make them shallow, there is an on-screen adjustment to instantly adjust for it.



Wednesday, January 1, 2020

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: his attempt to badmouth lower-priced competitors actually drove the caller away-- to a lower-price competitor who was far more experienced!

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: his attempt to badmouth lower-priced competitors actually drove the caller away-- to a lower-price competitor!

(No public identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, please correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.us)

Recent past complaints: Y

Examiner gender: M

Client telephoned an examiner who was advertising polygraph services. Client was OK with the quoted $350 price and was ready to schedule. But then the examiner told her that he was "more accurate than anyone charging less". That perked Client's interest, and she then contacted other examiners. She ended up choosing a more-experienced examiner who was half of the original quote price, and was very satisfied with the testing results.

Worse, the examiner who had badmouthed anyone charging less than him: he already had several complaints from clients in the past year.

Saturday, December 28, 2019

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: because her personal name is linked to many client complaints, she is now giving callers a fake name

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: because her personal name is linked to many client complaints, she is now giving callers a fake name

(No public identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, please correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.us )

Recent past complaints: Y

Examiner gender: F

With more complaints than all other California examiners combined, including being arrested at a client's home, we now see her using a 'different' personal name-- but the complaints are the same.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged extra ($500 instead of $350) for a 'last minute' test in a rent-by-the-hour room; then failed person on all client questions, including the one 'special question' they purposely secretly placed to verify accuracy

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged extra $500 instead of $350) for a 'last minute' test in a rent-by-the-hour room; then failed person on all client questions, including the one 'special question' they secretly placed to verify accuracy.

(No public identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, please correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.us)

One evening, a woman wanted to prove to her boyfriend that she hadn't cheated on him.

Her first choice of examiner (after much research) would not return to his office for this after-hours testing request as the woman had not shown up for a previously requested appointment. So the couple went to Google. One examiner agreed to test for his regular $350 PLUS an additional $150 as a 'rush fee'.

Couple arrived, were surprised that it was not his own office as expected but was a room in a rent-when-you-need-it situation. The testing was done, and the examiner said that she failed on all of the questions. However, this included 'failing' on a question they had secretly planted that both of the couple knew the true answer to was how she answered. $500 wasted.

Next day, they made an appointment during regular business hours with their original first choice of examiner, who was far more experienced. They did not tell Examiner about 'failing' the night before, and they provided the same set of questions. Examiner gave the proper scores at end of testing, the couple left happy.

Sunday, October 27, 2019

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: Client took his wife to Examiner's 'office' address for a test and found it was the examiner's residence. Paid $350. Heard Examiner say unprofessional things to wife, then passed her when Client knew she was lying on one of them. Examiner still won't provide the promised report.

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: Client took his wife to Examiner's 'office' address for a test and found it was the examiner's residence. Paid $350. Heard Examiner say unprofessional things to wife, then passed her when Client knew she was lying on one of them. Examiner still won't provide the promised report.

(No public identifiers are listed.If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, please correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.us )

Thursday, October 24, 2019

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged client $350 in his rent-by-the-hour office to show her jealous boyfriend she wasn't cheating, but

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he charged client $350 in his rent-by-the-hour office to show her jealous boyfriend she wasn't cheating, but Examiner said she failed, boyfriend watching. She came back alone for another test; Examiner said 'Inconclusive'. Relationship ended. Couple learned Examiner was a security guard doing part-time polygraph. So client then went to a more experienced examiner, was tested, received a Pass report that satisfied the boyfriend.

(No public identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, peoa.US )



Monday, August 5, 2019

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he gave results both clients knew were wrong; they then went to two other polygraph places that BOTH gave the opposite results of his. Later found out he was really a security guard business who did polygraph part-time when not being a guard.

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: he gave results we knew were wrong; we then went to two other polygraph places that BOTH gave the opposite results of his.Later found out he was really a security guard business who did polygraph part-time when not being a guard.

(No public identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, perhaps correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners of America. PEOA.US)



Recent past complaints: Y
Examiner gender: M

All per complainant:

Chose an examiner because he claimed to have years of government service in another country and offered testing in several languages. But it turned out he was really a security guard business who did polygraph part-time when not being a guard..

The worst service! I would never recommend you this place if you're really looking for the truth.

He's not even a professional and is such a liar. If you tell 1000% truth he'll say it's a lie and if you lie he'll tell you it's the truth. He hided the screen during the test.

He didn't mention that we had to drink plenty of water because the polygraph counts the sweat and we were dehydrated on that day it was 100 degrees. He doesn't know how to work and since i was young he decided that i'm a liar by his personal opinion.

The next day we went to 2 different places and we passed the test easily and got reports. And now i can't even get my money back. We did back to back tests and they charged $600. It's totally waste of time and money! It was the worst experience ever!

Saturday, August 3, 2019

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: Charged $400 cash to test client's girlfriend in Examiner's kitchen; said girlfriend Passed but also spoke with girlfriend about his (Examiner's) penis, and when test was done he asked her to call him "if it doesn't work out" with her boyfriend (client).

Complaint about a California polygraph examiner: Charged $400 cash to test client's girlfriend in Examiner's kitchen; said girlfriend Passed but also spoke with girlfriend about his (Examiner's) penis, and when test was done he asked her to call him "if it doesn't work out" with her boyfriend (client).

(No public identifiers are listed. If you recognize yourself here, and if the complaint is true, perhaps correct the situation for the future. Courtesy of Polygraph Examiners Of America, PEOA.US)

Recent past complaints: Y
Examiner gender: M


Per complainant:

Client believed that the testing was both inappropriate and inaccurate.

Client thought it was unprofessional that the testing was done in Examiner's home KITCHEN and not at an office.

Said examiner is elderly and discussed Examiner's past acupuncture with client's girlfriend, adding that "I wanted to rollover and have her put it on the head of my ++++ ".

Examiner would not use client's written questions; he instead changed them enough that they no longer asked what client wanted to know about. He wanted to know about any inappropriate  talk behind his back; Examiner changed it to having sex.

Examiner told client " I fucked up on one test so I started over. This thing's not working right. It doesn't work. It's not as good as my old analog".

When the couple was leaving, the elderly examiner said to client's girlfriend who was just tested:
"(Her name), if it doesn't work out, call me, you have my card".

Note: this examiner is known in the profession for saying that "All other examiners are charlatans".


From one of the past complaints about him:

By telephone, a long-time polygraph examiner told a caller who had inquired about prices to not use any other examiner, that all others are'charlatans' that are all pretenders and that only he gives a real test.

He said about one long-time competitor "(He) is an ex-cop who doesn't know what he's doing with a polygraph" (a long-time experienced examiner). About another, "(He) is in court 4 or 5 days a week, being sued by his clients" (another  long-time examiner, who has never been sued by a client).

The caller did not do business with the shit-talker. And educated clients do not hire (un)professionals who bad-mouth their competitors.